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		<title>By: gasstationwithoutpumps</title>
		<link>http://gasstationwithoutpumps.wordpress.com/2013/02/09/becoming-engineers/comment-page-1/#comment-8685</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 03:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure that the students have any idea what their &quot;Community of Practice&quot; is.  I suspect that none of them has met a working bioengineer (for that matter, I&#039;m not sure I have met any recently).  It is hard for them to figure out what their &quot;Community of Practice&quot; is, if they have no contact with the community.

Most (all?) of them are in the biomolecular engineering track and none in the bioelectronics track (because the EE undergrad director has a mistaken notion about what sort of course I&#039;m teaching, thinking that it must be high-school level electronics, because the bioengineers aren&#039;t EE students, and so he won&#039;t accept my course as a prereq for any EE courses).  Their being in the biomolecular track means that they don&#039;t see circuits as an integral part of their training.  I&#039;ve tried to make the labs come as close to biomolecular stuff as I can, while still keeping them feasible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure that the students have any idea what their &#8220;Community of Practice&#8221; is.  I suspect that none of them has met a working bioengineer (for that matter, I&#8217;m not sure I have met any recently).  It is hard for them to figure out what their &#8220;Community of Practice&#8221; is, if they have no contact with the community.</p>
<p>Most (all?) of them are in the biomolecular engineering track and none in the bioelectronics track (because the EE undergrad director has a mistaken notion about what sort of course I&#8217;m teaching, thinking that it must be high-school level electronics, because the bioengineers aren&#8217;t EE students, and so he won&#8217;t accept my course as a prereq for any EE courses).  Their being in the biomolecular track means that they don&#8217;t see circuits as an integral part of their training.  I&#8217;ve tried to make the labs come as close to biomolecular stuff as I can, while still keeping them feasible.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Guzdial</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 01:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One problem with getting the students to &quot;think like an engineer&quot; is determining if the students see &quot;thinking like an engineer&quot; being an important part of their Community of Practice.  In &quot;Situated Learning,&quot; Jean Lave and Etienne Wenger consider a variety of informal/semi-formal learning situations (e.g., learning to become an East African tailor, learning to become a midwife and a butcher) and analyze how they work.  They describe learning as being a process of identifying a community of practice, and then seeking to be a fully connected (central) member of that community of practice.  It&#039;s hard to get students to learn things that aren&#039;t part of the students&#039; perception of what&#039;s core to their CoP, because they&#039;re not motivated to learn that.  We dealt with this in MediaComp by essentially &quot;imagineering&quot; a story about why what we were teaching *was* central to their CoP: http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1151588.1151597&amp;coll=DL&amp;dl=GUIDE&amp;CFID=180199126&amp;CFTOKEN=29580668]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One problem with getting the students to &#8220;think like an engineer&#8221; is determining if the students see &#8220;thinking like an engineer&#8221; being an important part of their Community of Practice.  In &#8220;Situated Learning,&#8221; Jean Lave and Etienne Wenger consider a variety of informal/semi-formal learning situations (e.g., learning to become an East African tailor, learning to become a midwife and a butcher) and analyze how they work.  They describe learning as being a process of identifying a community of practice, and then seeking to be a fully connected (central) member of that community of practice.  It&#8217;s hard to get students to learn things that aren&#8217;t part of the students&#8217; perception of what&#8217;s core to their CoP, because they&#8217;re not motivated to learn that.  We dealt with this in MediaComp by essentially &#8220;imagineering&#8221; a story about why what we were teaching *was* central to their CoP: <a href="http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1151588.1151597&#038;coll=DL&#038;dl=GUIDE&#038;CFID=180199126&#038;CFTOKEN=29580668" rel="nofollow">http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1151588.1151597&#038;coll=DL&#038;dl=GUIDE&#038;CFID=180199126&#038;CFTOKEN=29580668</a></p>
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		<title>By: gasstationwithoutpumps</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 18:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some people say there is too much &quot;constructivism&quot; in public schools, as it is not a panacea for all educational problems.  As I understand the term, it is not at all synonymous with &quot;social learning&quot;, though both are currently popular in education schools.

I&#039;m certainly using some constructivist practices in my circuits class, as the class is centered on the designs they do in the labs, not on the lectures, and I&#039;m asking my students to build mental models that they can use to solve design problems, rather than spoon-feeding them formulas.  It is not as easy as you seem to think to get students to &quot;own the problem&quot; and many of them get stuck very early, so I find it necessary to give them assistance earlier than a pure &quot;constructivist&quot; would.

Given the rather low success rates of the Ed Departments of the US in training teachers to teach students to think like engineers, I&#039;m not sure I want to listen to them spout off on their current theories about how I should teach.  I read a lot of teacher blogs and some education literature (mainly by computer science, math, and physics teachers), looking for teaching techniques that have been successful and that I think I can adapt to my classes.  I&#039;m looking more for &quot;content pedagogy&quot;—specific misconceptions students have with the material I&#039;m trying to teach and ways to get students past those misconceptions—than for generic &quot;how to teach&quot; information.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people say there is too much &#8220;constructivism&#8221; in public schools, as it is not a panacea for all educational problems.  As I understand the term, it is not at all synonymous with &#8220;social learning&#8221;, though both are currently popular in education schools.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m certainly using some constructivist practices in my circuits class, as the class is centered on the designs they do in the labs, not on the lectures, and I&#8217;m asking my students to build mental models that they can use to solve design problems, rather than spoon-feeding them formulas.  It is not as easy as you seem to think to get students to &#8220;own the problem&#8221; and many of them get stuck very early, so I find it necessary to give them assistance earlier than a pure &#8220;constructivist&#8221; would.</p>
<p>Given the rather low success rates of the Ed Departments of the US in training teachers to teach students to think like engineers, I&#8217;m not sure I want to listen to them spout off on their current theories about how I should teach.  I read a lot of teacher blogs and some education literature (mainly by computer science, math, and physics teachers), looking for teaching techniques that have been successful and that I think I can adapt to my classes.  I&#8217;m looking more for &#8220;content pedagogy&#8221;—specific misconceptions students have with the material I&#8217;m trying to teach and ways to get students past those misconceptions—than for generic &#8220;how to teach&#8221; information.</p>
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		<title>By: Boomer</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 17:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They need to to own the problem.  Once they do, critical thinking is pretty automatic -- it&#039;s your problem, you want to solve it, you want to know all about it.  You are personally interested. 

And yes peer learning is the best learning.  Head over to the Ed Department, and you&#039;ll hear all about &quot;constructivism:&quot; essentially, social learning.  Give them a problem and just enough info to start work as a group.  Let them progress until they get stuck, and then give them _almost_ enough information to get to the next point. So that they&#039;re always experimenting.  And when they&#039;re well and truly engaged in the problem solving, _then_ you stop and give them a lecture -- which they will listen to intently, because they recognize that it gives them the way forward on the problems that they&#039;ve already engaged in together, and own.

They teach all the students in the MA Teaching program about constructivism; too bad there&#039;s no place for it in the public schools, or darned little. Why I didn&#039;t become a teacher.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They need to to own the problem.  Once they do, critical thinking is pretty automatic &#8212; it&#8217;s your problem, you want to solve it, you want to know all about it.  You are personally interested. </p>
<p>And yes peer learning is the best learning.  Head over to the Ed Department, and you&#8217;ll hear all about &#8220;constructivism:&#8221; essentially, social learning.  Give them a problem and just enough info to start work as a group.  Let them progress until they get stuck, and then give them _almost_ enough information to get to the next point. So that they&#8217;re always experimenting.  And when they&#8217;re well and truly engaged in the problem solving, _then_ you stop and give them a lecture &#8212; which they will listen to intently, because they recognize that it gives them the way forward on the problems that they&#8217;ve already engaged in together, and own.</p>
<p>They teach all the students in the MA Teaching program about constructivism; too bad there&#8217;s no place for it in the public schools, or darned little. Why I didn&#8217;t become a teacher.</p>
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		<title>By: gasstationwithoutpumps</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 22:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve not read Academically Adrift.  I don&#039;t know whether I&#039;ll ever have the time (or the desire) to do so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve not read Academically Adrift.  I don&#8217;t know whether I&#8217;ll ever have the time (or the desire) to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Mylene DiPenta</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Incidentally, I notice that Hanson discusses &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9555284-academically-adrift&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Academically Adrift&lt;/a&gt; with mixed feelings.  I&#039;d be curious to know your thoughts about that study, particularly about their research methods, if you have the time and inclination.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Incidentally, I notice that Hanson discusses <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/9555284-academically-adrift" rel="nofollow">Academically Adrift</a> with mixed feelings.  I&#8217;d be curious to know your thoughts about that study, particularly about their research methods, if you have the time and inclination.</p>
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		<title>By: Mylene DiPenta</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 21:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I appreciate the opening quote&#039;s emphasis on critical thinking being a function of one&#039;s identity.  The aspect I&#039;m wrestling with right now is helping students become people who are open about what they don&#039;t know (my students will do practically anything rather than explain what they don&#039;t know).  I&#039;ve been reading &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3323335-learning-to-think-things-through&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Learning To Think Things Through&lt;/a&gt;, and I keep going back to the author&#039;s point (I&#039;m paraphrasing) that critical thinking is not thinking that criticizes: it is thinking that has criteria.  You&#039;re articulating the criteria to which you want your students to hold their thinking; they&#039;re articulating a different set of criteria.  It makes me wonder what the students see as the difference between &quot;studying engineering,&quot; &quot;doing engineering&quot;, and &quot;being an engineer.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the opening quote&#8217;s emphasis on critical thinking being a function of one&#8217;s identity.  The aspect I&#8217;m wrestling with right now is helping students become people who are open about what they don&#8217;t know (my students will do practically anything rather than explain what they don&#8217;t know).  I&#8217;ve been reading <a href="http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3323335-learning-to-think-things-through" rel="nofollow">Learning To Think Things Through</a>, and I keep going back to the author&#8217;s point (I&#8217;m paraphrasing) that critical thinking is not thinking that criticizes: it is thinking that has criteria.  You&#8217;re articulating the criteria to which you want your students to hold their thinking; they&#8217;re articulating a different set of criteria.  It makes me wonder what the students see as the difference between &#8220;studying engineering,&#8221; &#8220;doing engineering&#8221;, and &#8220;being an engineer.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: hedwigeon</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2013 06:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thoughtful and particularly timely for those of us whose kids are in the process of choosing colleges to apply to. Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughtful and particularly timely for those of us whose kids are in the process of choosing colleges to apply to. Thanks!</p>
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